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    发布者: polar_bear | 发布时间: 2014-12-31 23:14| 查看数: 1764| 评论数: 32|帖子模式

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    我冬天特喜泡澡,每回都大汗淋漓,爽快!问题是大汗淋漓时,口渴欲饮,热饮不过隐,所以就加冰块,一时很是爽快。问题出在下边 - 大量放屁,偶有臭味,大多不臭。如果忍住不放,就会觉着一股气一样的东西由下腹部冲上咽部而停于此。那种感觉就象有个气囊位于颈椎和咽之间。请问怎么回事?看了西医的呼吸系统工作原理结合中医经络表里理论,我有一些看法。你不说,我也不说。
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    amengcat 发表于 2015-1-1 03:31:09
    北极熊同学还是需要先了解“瞎子摸象”的原由~嗬嗬!
    Jane 发表于 2015-1-1 08:01:35
    我有一些看法。你不说,我也不说

    点评

    hahaha  发表于 2015-1-1 09:51
    polar_bear 发表于 2015-1-1 10:44:07
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    对呀,要一点一点地摸。赵本山因为嘲笑瘸子,现在被千夫所指,你引用的这个成语将来怕要被废了
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    招财猫 发表于 2015-1-1 10:52:57
    polar_bear 发表于 2015-1-1 10:44 5 s/ g% D- E2 [) w
    对呀,要一点一点地摸。赵本山因为嘲笑瘸子,现在被千夫所指,你引用的这个成语将来怕要被废了! A& Y% h  ^2 M. B
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    我们这里要经常引用这个成语,你慢慢看下去。
    bz1 发表于 2015-1-1 11:10:28
    跟我比谁憋得住, 你一定输 :)
    polar_bear 发表于 2015-1-1 11:11:27
    招财猫 发表于 2015-1-1 08:52 8 H' y% a% ~3 R3 |1 Q
    我们这里要经常引用这个成语,你慢慢看下去。
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    没有问题。自然科学的发展没有高屋建瓴的东西,只能一点一点的啃呐
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    舞者女 发表于 2015-1-1 18:07:30
    你不说我也不说 。这是什么节奏?
    polar_bear 发表于 2015-1-1 21:47:35
    本帖最后由 polar_bear 于 2015-1-1 19:49 编辑
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    好吧,我先说。我看看中医又看看西医,终于悟出了下面的道理:
    西医:Transport of Carbon Dioxidein the Blood
    Carbondioxide molecules are transported in the blood from body tissues to the lungsby one of three methods: (1) dissolution directly into the blood, (2) bindingto hemoglobin, or (3) carried as a bicarbonate ion. Several properties ofcarbon dioxide in the blood affect its transport.
    First,carbon dioxide is more soluble in blood than is oxygen. About 5 to 7 percent ofall carbon dioxide is dissolved in the plasma.
    Second,carbon dioxide can bind to plasma proteins or can enter red blood cells andbind to hemoglobin. This form transports about 10 percent of the carbondioxide. When carbon dioxide binds to hemoglobin, a molecule calledcarbaminohemoglobin is formed. Binding of carbon dioxide to hemoglobin isreversible. Therefore, when it reaches the lungs, the carbon dioxide can freelydissociate from the hemoglobin and be expelled from the body.
    Third,the majority of carbon dioxide molecules (85 percent) are carried as part ofthe bicarbonate buffer system. In this system, carbon dioxide diffuses into thered blood cells. Carbonic anhydrase (CA) within the red blood cells quicklyconverts the carbon dioxide into carbonic acid (H2CO3). Carbonic acid is anunstable, intermediate molecule that immediately dissociates into bicarbonateions (HCO3) andhydrogen (H+) ions. Since carbon dioxide is quickly converted into bicarbonateions, this reaction allows for the continued uptake of carbon dioxide into theblood, down its concentration gradient. It also results in the production of H+ions. If too much H+ is produced, it can alter blood pH. However, hemoglobinbinds to the free H+ ions, limiting shifts in pH. The newly-synthesizedbicarbonate ion is transported out of the red blood cell into the liquidcomponent of the blood in exchange for a chloride ion (Cl-); this is called thechloride shift. When the blood reaches the lungs, the bicarbonate ion istransported back into the red blood cell in exchange for the chloride ion. TheH+ ion dissociates from the hemoglobin and binds to the bicarbonate ion. Thisproduces the carbonic acid intermediate, which is converted back into carbondioxide through the enzymatic action of CA. The carbon dioxide produced isexpelled through the lungs during exhalation.
    Thebenefit of the bicarbonate buffer system is that carbon dioxide is "soakedup" into the blood with little change to the pH of the system. This isimportant because it takes only a small change in the overall pH of the bodyfor severe injury or death to result. The presence of this bicarbonate buffersystem also allows for people to travel and live at high altitudes. When thepartial pressure of oxygen and carbon dioxide change at high altitudes, thebicarbonate buffer system adjusts to regulate carbon dioxide while maintainingthe correct pH in the body.
    Source:Boundless. “Transport of Carbon Dioxide in the Blood.” Boundless Biology.Boundless, 14 Nov. 2014. Retrieved 02 Jan. 2015 fromhttps://www.boundless.com/biology/textbooks/boundless-biology-textbook/the-respiratory-system-39/transport-of-gases-in-human-bodily-fluids-222/transport-of-carbon-dioxide-in-the-blood-842-12087/
    Farts are caused by trapped air, which can come from many sources. Some ofit is air that we have swallowed while chewing or drinking. Some air is causedby gas seeping into our intestines from our blood, and some gas is produced bychemical reactions in our intestines or bacteria living in our guts. A typicalfart is composed of about 59 percent nitrogen, 21 percent hydrogen, 9 percentcarbon dioxide, 7 percent methane and 4 percent oxygen. Only about one percentof a fart contains hydrogen sulfide gas and mercaptans, which contain sulfur,and the sulfur is what makes farts stink.
    中医:肺和大肠相表里,如果因为饮冷伤肺,那么更多的CO2会从大肠里出去的,这就解释了为什么大多数屁不臭和硬憋时有气上冲的感觉了。
    个人理解,欢迎讨论
    舞者女 发表于 2015-1-1 22:25:38
    我还是不懂。。。
    polar_bear 发表于 2015-1-1 22:38:15
    舞者女 发表于 2015-1-1 20:25 1 T6 v7 ?0 J' |! \
    我还是不懂。。。

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    西医说大部分CO2(85%)是以(85 percent) 碳酸的形式存在于血清当中的,肺功能正常时,这些以碳酸形式存在于血清中的CO2还是要从肺中排出去的。屁呢有很多来源,其中一个来源就是从肠子的血液中渗透出去的。
    中医:肺和大肠相表里,如果因为饮冷伤肺,那么应该从肺排出的CO2不能有效进行了,所以更多的CO2会从血液里渗透到大肠里,从而以屁的形式排出去。因为此时屁中含有大量CO2,CO2无色无臭,即使有点H2S也被稀释的闻不大到了,这就解释了为什么大多数屁不臭。硬憋时,CO2又渗透到肠子的血液里了,从而使血液中CO2浓度升高,有气上冲的感觉了,而且也稍微有憋气那样的感觉。

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    蒙城郎中 发表于 2015-1-2 18:19:46
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    矢气,主要跟胃的消化有关。
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    阳明腑实,之所以用了小承气汤,会转矢气,就是胃气下降了。
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    1 K  h3 c4 p9 Y/ a3 \8 |平常偏胃热,如果猛的喝冷水、冷饮,则和用小承气汤原理是一回事,降胃热,从而止胃气上逆。憋着不放,自然胃过阵子暖回来了,胃气又会上冲。( W' `) R& V$ f9 \$ R

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    2 W- ~9 u% a6 o, Z" C象很多瘀血、痰阻的,喝了药后,矢气增多,其实也是胃气动了,从而陈滞动了。随着病瘀滞的减轻,还是同样的药,矢气会越来越少,也越来越不臭。8 B" y. F% P( G
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    脏病多虚当升脾,腑病多实法降胃。
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    风起了 发表于 2015-1-2 19:07:06
    好奇来看看!
    polar_bear 发表于 2015-1-2 19:19:51
    蒙城郎中 发表于 2015-1-2 16:19
    ( d2 n6 R! G  w) w**** 本内容被作者隐藏 ****
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    那么打嗝呢?2 I  M5 v! B' j6 Y) q8 o/ \) @
    胃气上冲为什么不打嗝呢?我感觉咽部象有个气囊顶着怎么回事?
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    polar_bear 发表于 2015-1-2 19:26:43
    蒙城郎中 发表于 2015-1-2 16:19
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    7 t* Y; _3 v% }" T3 o) B9 N' H另外郎中,如果饮冷就象小承气汤的话,为什么我不喝冷水很长时间了还大量放那没味儿的屁呢?1 N% M, n1 m) x7 j) |/ r7 d6 n
    ivy9 发表于 2015-1-2 19:32:31
    人的气真够复杂的。
    蒙城郎中 发表于 2015-1-2 20:18:53
    polar_bear 发表于 2015-1-2 19:19
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    , G# H1 u/ ^2 V+ q; h% J+ d4 u1 ?胃气上冲为什么不打嗝呢?我感觉咽部象有个气囊顶着怎么回事?
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    你应该有寒热错杂的问题。- L/ l" R$ @: j0 p6 U" c
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    仔细去看一看半夏泻心汤、甘草泻心汤、生姜泻心汤的一些症状,虽不会长期有,但你可能会偶有。% K' {, e, C7 ]5 J
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    就脾虚寒的同时,又有胃实热。
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    屁没多少味,主要是脾寒的问题。. ^4 U  C  @- M7 T

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    再看一看讲这里关于命门的一些课程,你应该能明白这些问题。
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    Dragoneyes 发表于 2015-1-2 21:40:06
    饮冷和小承气汤的关系?
    ortho 发表于 2015-1-21 01:42:46
    又是气机?
    shamrock100 发表于 2015-1-21 10:21:32
    xue xi
    熊猫眼 发表于 2018-7-2 07:42:13
    这个看还是不看?
    Sunny 发表于 2018-7-2 19:52:19
    好奇吖~~~
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    happy 发表于 2019-1-29 11:44:38
    学习
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    OceanSound 发表于 2019-1-29 12:20:24
    回复学习7 S. F4 I& G7 F# b/ X$ P
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    vxfu6433 发表于 2019-1-29 16:02:59
    复杂了
    Coooolcat 发表于 2019-4-13 20:47:19
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    茉莉花香 发表于 2019-4-13 23:14:50
    看看
    辣.元宝 发表于 2019-4-14 06:51:40

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    Day801 发表于 2019-4-14 08:43:42
    看看郎中怎么说
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